please join me in a round of applause of mr. bell. [applause] [applause] :

and made a comment recently at wheaton college in illinois, where he talked about his legacy as chicago's longest serving mayor. this is a little more than an hour. [applause] [applause] >> good afternoon ladies and gentlemen. i am denny hastert. i want to welcome you here this

afternoon. i think it should there should be an extraordinary opportunity for us to listen and to have a discussion with somebody who has been a major player, not only in northern illinois, the midwest but also in nationally and in many cases on the international scene. mayor daley started out his career in politics literally at his father's knee, and so i think someone doing statistics either day during the election it was the first time in 50 some years there hadn't been a daley on the ballot in chicago. now when i was first cutting my teeth in the illinois legislature, the mayor then was a state senator and had just gone to be the state's attorney for cook county, and served as the attorney for cook county for a number of years, ran for mayor and has served the last 26 years

years -- 22 years. it seems like 26 sometimes right? as mayor of the city of chicago. obtusely in my years in congress, we had the opportunity to work together. i found that there was no equal to this gentleman in being able to look at what was good for the greater area. and mayor daley has constantly reached out to mayors in the suburbs and mayors all over northern illinois to do what was good for northern illinois. we worked together on things like the western expansion of o'hare because i always felt that for my constituents you get in and find a parking place, catch a plane and have a relatively safe experience coming in and out of o'hare, that was a good thing. for him, the synergy of having an international airport really raised the ability of our city to be able -- the city to be

able to do business and i felt the same thing. what was good in many cases for chicago is good for northern illinois. we were able to work together and there were a lot of issues coming and going throughout those years that i have the privilege of coming in and working with the mayor and actually having a great deal of achievement. so ladies and gentlemen, this is not only just an academic exercise. i think it is certainly an exercise with this gentleman leaving his career as 22 years as one of the mayors of one of the cities of this great nation. some of his insights, some of his feelings and i would guess there will be a little politics edited in and out of this discussion as well. without any further ado i would like to introduce you, my good friend, the mayor of chicago, richard daley mack. [applause] >> good afternoon.

[applause] thank you. i want to thanked denny hastert for bringing me out here this afternoon to lecture and to thank him for his great commitment of public service. is fortunate to meet him many years ago on the general assembly. he is a good friend of my brother john's. he serves the people and the district as a state representative of the congress and of course as the speaker. at during the term of all the relationships i had with him, issues confronting not only his own constituents but the entire state was always in the forefront in the sense that he felt there was always ways to compromise and move forward. we -- that doesn't is mainly received everything he wanted but in the sense we could move our state forward and our country forward. i really appreciate his friendship and his commitments and his sacrifice he has made over many years.

we are public servants. we serve our constituents. once you are elected usurp the entire constituents and that is what people don't realize. primaries come and go. at elections and once you are elected then you serve the entire district or an entire city or state or nation. and i think that is what we have to become, all of us who work in government are public servants. the work for you. you pay our salaries, payer health care which is now in question, pensions and all the other issues confronting government employees, rightfully so that your boy should always be heard on that. i think that is important in this day and age and in the future. so i could recite example after example of denny talking about the international airport and how important it is to the economic engine of illinois and the region and the amount of jobs it produces directly and indirectly is enormous.

that is our communication to technology and communications of the world and that is the future of the metropolitan area and i think that is very important. you bring together economic and political analysis and it's peaking at lectures to discuss present problems and of course have some vision about the future and look back at the mistakes we all have made and make sure that we don't make the same mistakes in the future, which is really important. for the citizens of not only chicago our respective districts in the state but of course the country in the world and i think that is the key. focusing of course to another generation of young men and women who will give public service and the aspect of your life in public service, so you are always giving back to the community and making sure you become good citizens. in regards to all the issues confronting people in a

community or surrounding community or the world, and that is why another generation of younger people will i believe, carry the torch and do a better job and all of us assembled today here will move forward. this generation i firmly believe will do it because they are just as committed and just as challenged and justice march, or maybe smarter, in regards to what they look at, the issues and and how we can solve them together. i firmly believe that because we see that in an area that many people don't want to talk about. we see the unselfishness of people devoting their commitment into the military. they don't have to do this and they decide to join the military there is something about that in this day and age. they could just say no, and so when the president calls the men and women of america have answered overwhelmingly in the last 20 years, and you think of that. the loss of life and the challenges the men and women

have come back and the injuries, but they still answered that call. i think this is a remarkable nation. don't question anyone who did not do that. they wanted to do it and i think that is the whole generation. it is not just them themselves, but their friends and neighbors and all that are willing when they made that decision, making sure they supported them. that is why i firmly believe that our country will be in better hands continually with another generation. when we talk about chicago and we talk about the region, that is what it is. is not just chicago itself. does not just western or northern or southern suburbs. i went out to springfield in 1972 is a state senator. i didn't realize that old park and evergreen park was downstate illinois. [laughter] that really woke me up.

and i had the privilege of being a senator, and my father went into the general assembly in the 1930s as a state representative senator. he told me that is where you learn government when he learned politics. i had the fortune of being a young senator and all the chairman at that time were all republicans. it was amazing to help and assistance they gave me. i learned how we mourn frank lessing and some of the great senators at that time of different committees and others that were in respective positions because republicans held the majority. they helped me. they made me a better public servant and made me a better senator. and for that experience they gained in many issues are not about republicans and democrats. they are just public policy issues and how basically working together. than rummy took majority -- i remember i was sitting there in

the minority chairman, he was really my chairman, frank soper. he really worked with me on many of the issues, because he was nary well-respected lawyer on the committee. most of the issues were nonpolitical in a sense. it wasn't a partisan issue and that was very important for me. there is where i really got to understand not just the suburban area and downstate but all the state and the issues and on the first committee i wanted to get to us the agriculture committee. they said why would richard want to go to the agriculture committee? i live three blocks from the stockyards. i've seen more things than anybody could see, how they killed everything on my whole life in the stockyards. how important he agriculture industry was important and how we got to learn all of the agricultural industry to this committee and how important some issues were.

you didn't think they were important and you realize how important they were in the state of illinois. and then of course chicago. there is always a divide between chicago and everyone else, but then we realize in the long run that we all have to exist together because what is good for wheaton is good for chicago. what is good for chicago is good for wheaton and the separation bipartisan politics have to be over. otherwise we cannot compete as the global economy with the other areas of china, brazil and in the world. and india and the rest of the world. so all of us have set them aside and we worked together. because have you become, how do you look at the city? you have seen cities die in just over years lost our manufacturing base, lost everything in the city. but chicago is always changing. when we had the chicago fire and the worlds exposition, always changing so we are never afraid of change. and so that is what you have to

do in life, not only in business and family life, but in government you have to change. if you don't change it within the past. chicago never lived in the pastor respected the past and it went off the path for the future and that is what i think it is. recently -- you take the region all of us in the top 10 of the world. think of that. in how we compete as a region. that is what we have to do, so you have to think of that. everybody says how can that be? how can chicago and the midwest, is that los angeles is a new york is that other world local cities? no commas or, sir region we are competing. last year foreign-policy magazine ran chicago area as number six among global cities. you have new york, london tokyo paris and hong kong. we are number six. think of that.

that is amazing in the middle part of the country, that the region is ranked number six. [applause] and the ranking was based on how much influence a city can have beyond its own borders and its ability to manage the global recession. just last week i'm happy to say "newsweek" magazine published a very positive assessment of our city and is that chicago steps out i quote. let me kohl a few lines because they think this piece ackerley captured the spirit of chicago and i coll. there is no talk here about -- there is no talk here anymore about being the second city. chicago is not only the city that works but also an exciting city in which all these glittery worlds shine and of quote. chicago has lately become to see itself as a place whose inherent inherent -- and now embrace all sorts of improbable inventions and behavior. there is self-confidence, and upbeat feeling that success

breeds success. the story singled out that fashion industry, the food and the music. but it also made a special point about why the tech company happened in chicago and not somewhere else. the story said, why didn't group on startup in silicon valley? for the same reason facebook started at harvard, because those phenomena needed a local population of young people, not a community of cybernerds or venture capitalist. chicago had wide andrew mason needed, people. since i've been mayor with many tartars especially in the business community. they have been the strong part of chicago's history, the names of marshall field, all those great industrialists that live all over the metropolitan area made a commitment to rebuild not just chicago but the metropolitan area. and to create a culture in

chicago with all kinds of people and ideas that feel welcome or creativity can flourish. sewer city was founded by immigrants. our past, present and future will always be immigrants. last night i was honored by the professional business group, doctors and lawyers and all types of business people, all assembled, about 400 last night, to say thank you in regards to this big mosaic that we have here in the metropolitan area. immigrants coming in and sectioning themselves through their professions and college education and graduate school and then from here living in the metropolitan area and becoming part of this great chicago fabric and that is what i talked about last night in their commitment. this doesn't happen by chance. the process began with developing a long-term vision and a plan and executing that plan for many many years. that is what you have to do because as mayor to deal with

day-to-day issues within government, but then in terms we have to look at the long range goal of what you want to accomplish as a city that will compete in this century. that is what you have to do. you just can't build it for today. you always have to look for the future and that is what you have to, all the issues you decide to look at, there is one issue that government, business and the community and not-for-profit must come together. so the idea of creating jobs and re-creating jobs and thinking about the future. and thinking about the technology industry. group pond opens up in chicago. it is the biggest thing that has ever happened in the country since facebook and twitter and everything else in all of a sudden we have become a tech area. area. all of a sudden it is chicago technology center. it is really interesting how thousands of employees they have been a stay for a year or two years and then they spin off and start companies companies themselves all of a sudden you have these little companies

appearing all over not only in the city but the metropolitan area. all of a sudden an influx of people around the country have worked for them for so many years then move away and start their own companies. then all of a sudden technology has become a major factor which is really important for not only the present but for the future of all of us in any aspect of life that we have and of course the financial industry which is the future industry and hospitality and of course health care is a major major reason chicago was established. you think of the university of chicago and university of illinois and russia northwestern. if you put all of those hospitals together you have the largest medical complex in the world. the largest complex in the world and you think about all the research and all the decisions and what they have accomplished for many many years here in the city of chicago and each one of them rebuilding continually remodeling and rebuilding for the present and for the future.

we are always the key of transportation from of course water transportation to rail, to a highway system and of course the airports is the key. in the middle part of the united states how important that is. over 80% of all goods arrive at vancouver and up in chicago by rail. over 90% out of halifax and nova scotia come here by rail. over 50%, from l.a., and so 30 or 40%, from the mississippi or down the mississippi. how important water is. so of course with the center of transportation throughout the country. so transportation logistics is very very important for us in the region i would say. and of course manufacturing. people always say manufacturing is not going to be around. is going to be around but it will be a different manufacturing. i will give you an example.

it has been one of the oldest steel mills that moved off to the south and the earned stein community on 94th and stony island. they took an old steel mill. they remodeled with all new technology. they remodeled and are competing with the rest of the world competing with the rest of the world on specialized steel and it is an example and china is buying specialized steel. we can't just give up on manufacturing. we have to rethink manufacturing with technology with retraining and so therefore we will create many many jobs that people don't realize in manufacturing and that is why the chinese are interested. why are they interested? because of excess water. manufacturing always needs water. of course the discharge of the water is always controversial and so that is why environmentally friendly technology, when you use water and discharging water it will be the same. it won't pollute our rivers, or strange or any type of water

system. so i think the future is bright not only for chicago in manufacturing but i think the region and the midwest because they realize, china realizes that many of the factories that have been banning can be reason they are doing that continually and there is nothing wrong with that because they are putting people back to work. they are paying local, state and federal taxes and that is part of this global economy we see continually. when we struggle, we are struggling with all of our local economies. doesn't matter what city you are in. does matter what county you are in and it doesn't matter what state you are in. all local government has to balance the budget. we are required by law in one of the problems has been historically the federal government doesn't have to balance their budget. and they don't have to comment that is a major concern that we all have. i wish i had the pleasure as mayor or as a father. it be great if you didn't have to balance your budget. what they do is they print money and they go off and raise the

dead. everybody's concerned about the dead. didn't get here overnight. you got here long-term and now we are trying to discipline and you are trying to bring everybody back to being disciplined and of course it is very controversial because it is part of democracy is controversial. you were trying to find out for for the next generation how are we going to do this because otherwise you will burden another generation that cannot handle the cost of the government. the cost of government has to go down. it can keep growing. it has to someway level off. i'm a democrat, progressive however you want to describe me. i believe in balancing the budget continually with priorities and then realizing you have to do this. if you don't, another generation will be fully burdened with the cost of government and of course debt and that is unacceptable. so when you talk about the city, you think of your family. what do you give to your family? might bob -- you give your

family the moral values that you received from your church believes in your family. second you give them your name and 30 give them an education. what you give them an education they can gather that, once they get a good quality education, they can succeed in life. so my cornerstone was always a commitment of education. cities around america, people flood cities for a variety of reasons but those important for a lack of good quality education. it didn't matter if you are black, white hispanic or asian. they say i don't think i get a good education the city and if you look at anybody moving into these metropolitan areas there'll be as a newspaper saying this is a top school district. this is number one, number two, number three. this is our academic performance and that is how people select communities to move to. there is nothing wrong with that. and a sense you realize that you want to give to your children a good quality education. and the failure of major cities it has always been the lack of

good quality education so when i got elected in 1989 the basic things of working, organizing and reorganizing government outsourcing and privatizing and doing everything and trying to structure this. of course education was a separate entity within the city of chicago. i had no worse possibility for education. i had a right to submit names to a community board that would look at the names in the first thing they would say it is that is for the mayor. that goes out. that goes out. that goes out. they were running the operation into debt and eventually a 95 became to a crisis in the city of chicago. and a sickly is going to fall apart. so we went to springfield and no one knew what to do. i said i want to take responsibility but at that time you have to understand the mayor had a responsibility because in the 20s and 30s it was very correct. it became a big system with a lot of corruption and then people said enough is enough.

we are going to take the political section out of that or the government out of that and do separate governing warts and that is what they did. but what is happening is the system was collapsing, because there was no standards and no accountability. there was no performance. there was lack of real understanding that education is the answer to all the social ills that we have. those that are educated do well and those that are not educated to not do well. chicago, the metropolitan area, the state in the world and that is what it is. i went to springfield and i worked with the republican party, jim edgar and the leaders and all that and i said we fashion our takeover as a trustee in bankruptcy and that is what we did. unusual powers, unusual waivers of state laws and rules and regulations to be able to take over schools and move principals out and teachers out was very controversial.

we established it as a ceo and the ceo would then hire a ceo for education and a ceo for operations so none of them would cross paths. the ceo for operations did everything noneducational everything that deals with the schools in the operations in the educator deals with the education. and then the first thing i said we will be the only city in america to stop social promotion. what they did for years in america, they socially promoted people to make them feel good and give them a graduation diploma even though they couldn't read and write in things like that. it is really unfortunate so that is why you have many young people out there in the streets who were uneducated and that is why of course the prisons filled the prisons filled up especially with many african-americans. if you go into the prison system and you talk to most of them, they never finished high school. so that was a lack of education and a lack of understanding that education is the answer to all

the social ills. so the city decided to make a priority. we invested $5 billion of our own money, not state or federal money. this is their own money in building new schools and make insure safety and all the other things that went into a quality school system, over $5 billion. that is amazing, coming from local taxpayers in their state taxes. that is a commitment. anybody knew in the city, if you don't fix the board of education and nothing is ever going to work in the future. you have the haves and have-nots and that is why capital improvements are important because you can't overnight all of a sudden educate so quickly that they will be a students but you have to see something physically that people knew that we met were investing in their community and they saw that. the reconstruction, remodeling, the new buildings, emphasizing and getting back to basic reading and math and science and that is what we have done. we abandoned the whole theory that one-size-fits-all.

you have to look at students differently and an example instead of having specialized schools only for the a students, you have to do the testing in the school. why can't we have students go where the a's beam knock's all go together. they socialize together and they had mentors. it's amazing how you can affect other students, parents and dealing with some of the problems they have been school, so that is what we talked about and especially the language program which is really important because the language program is important to be a global city. that is when we started teaching mandarin chinese and number of years ago. we have 15 to 20,000 people, fastest growing language broke in the school. we are teaching arabic and russian. people say why would you want to teach arabic and russian? because as a global city, you not only have to know the languages but you have to know the customs cultures traditions

and histories of those countries and that is very important for business to understand not only here in chicago but throughout the world that you are educating young people for global jobs, global jobs here and around the world. we are not an isolated country any more. the shores do not protect us, because we have technology. you have seen it recently in north africa how technology changed. it wasn't the cia, wasn't the military, was that the secretary of state. it was the technology that moved in all of a sudden a change the whole wave of independence and freedom in those countries and that is why it is so important. to me, our schools have to produce graduates who have completed courses, compete with other students around the world and that is why we have many programs where we send students to china, india, russia, the middle east continually. we have programs with them on a

daily basis with technology, communicating with other students around the world and listening to their concerns and how long they go to school and what they want to be in life. that is all a part of being a global city. to me, our city became a model for reform. reform didn't mean just reform them. reform reformat that you stay the course and it was very difficult and the most challenging issues we had was dealing with the education problems and it still is today to be very frank. i believe we build a good foundation and i think people realize that a learning environment has to be in a home, has to be in the community and the school and so many people don't have homes. that is why you need charter schools. you have schools operating six days a week from 8:00 in the morning until 7:00 at night. that is like their home. you don't just have a classroom from 8:00 until 2:00 and that's it. that is why charter schools have

expanded tremendously in chicago. they go six days a week. after-school programs. they have sports brogue rams, culture programs and everything else going. the same way they are competing against their public schools with other public schools. there's nothing wrong with competition. we have competition with higher-rated we should have a fair. i'm pleased where we are but not satisfy. the day you are satisfied in government, that is the day you should leave. we always can do better and i think that was my philosophy. so it's a global city what do you do? sites have traveled many places and of course to me the key is china. that is the key in regards to our relation and how is that going to grow? to me it is vitally important. that is why we are teaching mandarin chinese and that is why we have brought together many forms. we had forums for chinese cities and mayors in chicago. we recently had u.s. eric mayors conference both in chicago,

amman jordan and casablanca morocco. we had conferences for all the south america, central america and mexico canada and the united states. bringing mayors together talking about the same issues how we can work together in best practices. our global forum. we have over 28 sister cities. historically based on immigration. that was historical the wave of germans and swedes and the way eastern europeans and in turn the wave of chinese and mexicans. we had different way so historically sister cities and now we are doing business sister cities and relationship of not just our city but the metropolitan area. the relationship and how important that fits into this whole global vision for chicago in the region which is really important. revisiting china -- i will be visiting china very shortly for an almost two weeks of visiting about six or seven cities. for tourism to come to chicago

and for the business community of china to make chicago the area for the center of operation, to say that we'd want to be the gateway of china in chicago in the region. we want to be the friendliest city for the chinese community and those that are right here whether to risk or the business community. we want to make sure that they want to position themselves here recently when president hu from china after he went to washington he only selected one city in the united states to go to and that was the city of chicago. coming out to downers grove in meeting business leaders in the metropolitan area, chinese business leaders or investments of china and american companies, thousands and thousands of employees they had throughout the metropolitan area. it was amazing. and how they are satisfied with the workforce and how they are excited to invest here. to me, that is the key for the future of not being afraid of foreign investments. they are not buying up america.

they are like a business. they are investing to make sure that number one of course you have got to make money and number two there's going to be employment of people. it is amazing all the people that work for one or two or four or five investors from china. all american citizens all around, the ceos in the operating officers in the financial teams and everyone else in the people that worked in all their facilities. to me we have to get beyond that. we have to realize we are investing they are and we should be able to accept their investments. at the same time we organized the mayors from canada st. lawrence seaway and the united states. we had separate organization so i put them all together and said in order to protect their british resource, lake michigan and attribute tories, it is very important for us so we organize all the mayors for the protection of the great lakes. protection of the great lakes for their drinking water, forward nation and also for

manufacturing. if you use water, discourage water in an environmentally friendly way as compared to what took place in the past when the discharge affected the quality of water. the other thing i'm very proud of this in 1997 and understanding that many times chicago, the suburban area, coward county, zoellick we were separate so i said let me former metropolitan american caucus and each of the counties have their own caucuses and all that. let's all get together and let's get together. we are not going to talk about the most controversial issue we had. we are not going to talk about that because if we did we would never get there and would be here for the next 20 years. i said to myself let's set that aside. let's all come together and beat it. it has been one of the most effective organizations because most of us get elected and people are going to come to you and say i need help, i am a

citizen so you have to respond to them. most of them are elected nonpartisan. some are republicans and some aren't democrats. i had resources in springfield and resources in washington. most of the issues are not partisan issues. dealing with admissibility and that problem. suddenly start rigging together. we had great success stories in springfield and washington with hastert and others and that was the idea. we are coming here as elected officials not just as democrats or republicans which is very important for us because if we didn't do that we would be living in the past. the differences today we worked on many issues confronting us whether it is pensions health care affects all of us. so i think that is the only type in the country. no other big mayors from big cities have meetings. we have meetings every four months and i am just a member, one of the founding members but a member today and i participate

with other mayors rum the counties, all the counties around here, which is really important for us. a mayor from aurora and rockford in peoria come down and some from milwaukee and some of the indiana mayors, were to work with us on many issues so we are very proud of that. at the same time i believe the success of chicago has been a public-private partnership. you can go to hospitals, museums the business committee has been very very helpful in all aspects of the city and it really helps us tremendously to have the business community supporting us. that doesn't mean corporate headquarters or operations, local and federal and local taxes and other things, but that has been a key the key and no other city has it. see is more democrat been the business community so he is fighting the business community. they supported. maybe this is a republican for governor or republican for

president. you should be committed to your city and forget about partisan politics when it comes to national or state. i know you may be -- but you should really reach out to them. that is one thing that has been a great resource and energy for me to solve many of these issues. i will give an example. just millennium park itself raising over $250 million. people now talk about the park. architecture and music, landscaping, outdoor activities so it is something that we are very proud of that we have never had that niche and that is really important, the benefits of the business community and taking responsibility for public schools. they supported me 100% on all the efforts that i needed and maybe the money dealing with hiring new principals and looking at quality teachers. new programs and going out looking for better teachers and

quality principals and charter schools. they have been there. another example that the economic stimulus package. when we got that and i said to all but not for profits in the city like a huge homeless group there. dealing with neglected children. i said why should government compete for a grant in the federal government? we all got together. all these organizations said you take the grant. we will support you. you are the experts in the field. so that helped us tremendously. we save a lot of money for the grant. basically competing against each other, we all wanted a one theory and we never used it to do with our budget. we never put money and for a budget that solves. many the states took money and put it in their budget to try to solve the budget crisis that year and you know what happened. you cannot do that and that is one thing we were able to do and

all the not-for-profit organizations and foundations help tremendously. the money went much longer than most cities had with the economic stimulus package. during the recession one thing i found out, many people who had just gotten laid off and i said where did you graduate? graduating from high school and college. they work so many years for a company but they missed out because they didn't have technology experience. these were good workers and the companies had to lay people off. they took those people they didn't have technology experience and they all got laid off. i came up with the idea of training these people, retraining these people with the commitment of getting a job and we just completed the first class about 300 people. it was amazing, over 60 or 70% were college graduates they didn't have technology experience. then we got companies to come. it was an experiment the first time and we learned from that experience but everyone has gained a job.

the next one we have done is basically looking at everyone and we have over 50 or 60 companies. they will tell us i need 45 people. $60,000 such a range of this technology field. we would train people for that job. that job is going to -- that was the key. the problem is a lot of people said you have to do some bald the ownership of your home. i said they can do that. what do you mean? you have to be poor to have a training program? we finally convinced the federal government that these people deserved it. we owed them because they have dealt this country. they have provided many opportunities for their children and now they are in desperation. so this is one of the best programs in the country. we are asking the federal government to adopt it. i've got thousands and thousands of calls in the metropolitan

area from all over from people who have gotten laid off. we have got lists of them because we are showing the federal government, if we have 500 there must be 2000 and the surrounding communities. so we are going to the federal government and i hope they do it, take your whole region and rebuild the lives of people who got laid off in the metropolitan area. but this has been one of the best programs that we have had. it is very small staff. about eight people have been doing it and most important business community is there with us saying when they graduate they will have a job. that is the key because many have gone through training programs and there is no job and that is very successful and we are part of that. we talk about the environment and of course environment is one of the most important aspects of this century. we can see what happened in the last century but we look back, we figure the industrial revolution put so many people to work and made the middle-class.

billionaires and millionaires but we forgot about the environment it now everyone should be concerned, rightfully concerned about their past practices and the mistakes we have made and what we are doing for the environment. i have always believed that the nature can collins -- coexist in the city. usually people out to drive someplace to join nature. i always believed that nature can coexist in an urban community. that is why immediately i started the suggestion but i said we are going to do it first. i'm not going to tell a business community what to do. one of these politicians to exempt themselves and tell the business you have to follow but we exempt ourselves. i said the city can lead by example. the business community followed me in a committee of looking at all the things we did. the first thing we did is our center for technology on the west side. that was to educate. we took an old manufacturing facility in sacramento and franklin, just north of the expressway on sacramento.

an old manufacturing building was retrofitted with the first building to be awarded it platinum rating by the u.s. green building council. but we did is we bought engineers, contractors, architects there to explain about what green technology is. it is not painting a wall green or something like that. it deals with the energy. deals with the air quality, deals with the water. it deals with what you are using inside, the products you are using inside and everything going on with the building, saving energy cost. in turn we planted over 7 million square feet of green roofs. the first green roof is on city hall. we are the first city to establish beehives in public buildings and public parks. we have the finest beekeepers in illinois. it is really interesting because they lake effect is really

interesting and what we are doing in the parks and on top of the green roofs. we have over 7 million square feet of green roofs in the city of chicago, the largest in the world and we are very proud of that. then we established -- we committed over 1500 new acres in the city of chicago, seeking land and open space adjacent to parks and schools. we have more nature areas and bird sanctuaries in our parks and in our system so you bring nature back into the system. we have chicago claimant action plan that basically this was a commitment of the academic community to set standards and say we have to have these in various areas. the chicago climate plan is separate. it dealt with all the operations. the top rating has been the construction of the field, from the construction we have done an environment. it is amazing what we have done there. that is what we evaluate, making

this the most environmentally friendly city in the world and to me that is very important. and people talk about what a the city has to be, it is quality education and the quality of life and that is very important. at the same time government understands that they have to have a value to government services. it isn't the size of government any more. we have to talk about values. some of the things we and have to get out of but privatizing a lot of -- we need competition and we continue to fight with that because i don't think the taxpayers presently and the future can afford the cost of government. i don't believe they can. the cost of government is going up faster than the cost that you can bear in your own pocketbook. pocketbook. i firmly believe that. they cannot go up so significantly each year that you cannot afford the cost of government. that is why we have to look at the value and to me that is the key. we talk about civility and

politics or public discourse. it is not just policies. it is governance. people don't have respect for things in a more. and that is what it is. it is not a breakdown of politicians and not a breakdown of those in government service. it is a breakdown of society and society has change. it is changing but you can disagree but you don't have to be disagreeable. you may have a position but now no one wants to talk. i have a discourse so i think it is society. it is not just what maybe you see on tv in springfield or other places but i firmly believe we have to get back to understand that democracy. there have been great debates and disagreements but it should not separate people to extreme, refused to shake hands or say hello or understand what others issues.

i firmly believe that is what we do. i'm very proud to be a public servant. someone asked me at 32 years of public service the state's attorney at cook county full-time in the mayor of 22 years and eight years a state senator and two years of the member of the illinois constitutional convention. i have no regrets about it and yes i could change a lot of things compared to today, but i enjoy it. i'm a public servant. i serve the people as a state senator, as a state attorney and as mayor and that is what we have to get back to. we in government or public servants and that is what the word is we have to use. not just the elected official but all those that work in government and that includes the schools in the parks and the city colleges and all the education system. that includes all fire and police. we are public servants and i think if we can come back to that belief, then i think we

will have a better discourse and a better relation that the taxpayers can have with government. thank you very much. [applause] [applause] >> thank you mr. mayor. i have a list of questions here from students at wheaton college in the few faculty have thrown in so we would like to put those to you. here is question number one. as someone who has held public office for over two decades, what are some of the skills of students interested in public service should cultivate?

>> i think you have to have passion about what you want to do when you go into public service. you have to keep that passion. is not just a job. it is not something you are going to work from 9 to 5 or whatever it is. you may have to have a passion and you have to really believe you are going to make a difference in the role that you take in public service, and government. also anything else you do. i think you have to have at at the same way and should be in the private and public sector. there should be no difference in those entering government or the private sector and if you don't have a passion in the mission you want to accomplish than i think the job just gets boring. just gets too bureaucratic and nothing gets done and i think that is when people have to -- what you want to go to that position and what it is for. >> second question. i'm not sure why the magic is three here but here's the question. what would be three pieces of advice you would give incoming mayor rahm emanuel? [laughter]

>> you never give anyone advice unless you -- they asked for it. [applause] >> in a personal way you would talk about issues. talking about issues and that aspect our transition will go with his chief his chief of staff and others and they will work to weak side-by-side. no winking come in in a day or two days or week and send this. you have to have a nice transition of maybe two weeks. that is what you have to do and make sure they understand we have reports in each department going and. and at the same time that we have a full audit so that realize what is going to take place. so you have to have a wonderful transition. is not just basic things when he is inaugurated but it has to go longer than that into june so that they feel comfortable and there are no surprises. there cannot be a surprise of

the next mayor coming into office and that is way i make sure the last four months i refuse to make appointments with boards or commissions. it would be unfair for the mag's mayor. >> what do you hope your legacy would be as chicago's mayor? >> i hope the legacy will be, nobody worries about legacies. the other questions are raised up, and i hope that education is become the cornerstone and foundation of the city of the future. to me that is the greatest cornerstone that i could ever give in legacy. >> this one is a little long. it must be from a faculty member. [laughter] what lessons would you draw from the experience of detroit, city that has lost significant portions of its population, has large tracts of unoccupied housing and is clearly

interested in reducing its government footprint? >> what happened is i think chicago is always changing. the chicago fire, the industrial revolution, the chicago stockyards. we always change and are willing to change. what happens in cities get caught in the past. they can change the look of the city. the cities were caught. first of all they had reasons why they were established. they were established for one project to reason. if you look at the midwest and other cities. the manufacturing base and opera mobile industry did never change and never saw it fit to change. white is toronto improving so well? wise windsor canada across from detroit moving tremendously and economic development? they just missed it and now they have to come back and take -- they have huge tracts of acres and acres. they have to take it off the city map and fence the whole thing in.

you won't have police and fire because there is no one there. you have to reduce the cost of government immediately because there are thousands of acres there and there is no one there so they have to take that off to reach the government as quickly as possible and then come back with a mission of making that city a city of -- i would do a city of innovation dealing with the manufacturing base in the midwest or something but you have to rebuild the cities for reasons. that is the other question. if you take detroit, you take toledo, cleveland pittsburgh and buffalo. what to do with that whole region? that is the question american has to figure out. pittsburgh is smaller. they are doing some great things with universities and all that but what is going to happen to many of the cities? that is the question people constantly ask. >> this one is a little long too so primary and secondary

education remains a very difficult issue for large cities. whatever progress chicago has made over the last 15 years is still the case many young people did not even finish high school. what will be the foreseeable future with financial constraints? what can be done? >> here's an example. there is a school called inglewood on the south side of 63rd and van ryne. we had to close that because it was a dysfunctional school. is amazing people wanted to keep that open. bureaucrats, educators want to keep it open. and they wanted to keep it. the gangs recruited heavily out of the school because all the dropouts so we close it down. kip king had the philosophy that every child, every young man, all young men, young men who came there and they were going to graduate and go to college. i've been to the second graduation. when they graduated from the eighth grade or whatever it was they came right over.

he doesn't talk about testing evaluated. very deficient in reading and math and other things. they worked all summer with them every day with them and saturdays with them. and then they had mentors there. they had wonderful teachers. it was a charter school. the second year, these young men, they came from dysfunctional homes and you talk about drugs and all the other issues. and they are going to college. they are not going to the top colleges but they are all going to some form of college. it is the first time anybody in their community has gone to college. how can that happen right down the street? by the public school they can't do that. why is it that he can do that? why is it that he can go to school from 8:00 until 6:00 at night? how can they work on saturdays? how can they have young people, young men wearing uniforms with ties in being very proud? how does this happen? that is what we have to have. we have to change what is taking

place in our public school system. and we have to say if there is no learning environment the school takes over as the learning environment in the community. [applause] >> this is a lot different question. what is the hardest event you have ever had to deal with as mayor? >> education. [laughter] no, no. i am very passionate about it and yesterday -- but i just want the commitment and everyone realizing -- are teachers work six hours a day. six hours a day. think of that, 30 hours a week. a number of years ago i asked for 15 minutes, not for mayor daley but for the students that we give to the students an extra 15 minutes. they unanimously voted against me. unless we are paid we are not going to do it. that is the sad thing.

i'm not condemning the teachers. but you know that -- there is to be a time to face with everybody where we have to give sometimes the less fortunate. if you don't educate them what is going to happen to our society and what is going to happen to them? so you know, my sisters are teachers in all this and i know so many good teachers, but unions have to understand that you have a responsibility. is not just a paycheck. you have a responsibility to the students. you are not going to solve anything but the time clock doesn't work when younger people maybe don't have -- but tim kaine show to work. why did he make sure it worked and someone down the street can? that his disappointment to me and i hope they realize no one is after teachers. no one is blaming teachers. no one is condemning teachers but i think there has to be a two-way street in understanding if we are all going to exist together. everybody has to give a little bit. if you can't give a little in the contract it is a contractual

basis and it is all about money and nothing else. >> the student rights third person here. i would love to hear his thoughts on anything that he wishes he could have known when he first went into the office as chicago mayor. [laughter] >> you know, it's funny. my dad works seven days a week and i said i would never be like my dad. one thing, he was very passionate and committed, working seven days a week and so i headed down to six. and on sundays i signed pictures and autographs because when i was a kid baseball players refuse to sign an autograph for me and i said someday i would become something in life and i would sign an autograph so i actually worked sundays because i signed a thousand teachers and things like that. i am very proud that people asked me for my signature and i

think it is important to sign it. and so, you have to have in government you really have to have passion and you have to sacrifice a lot of things that maybe other people have. my dad said you never get jealous about what someone has in life and in government that is when you go astray. so those are very important rules. ..

personally either. >> what is the way forward in interpreting the still segregated city of chicago? >> here you have a large black population that came from the south in the 1950's and moving to mississippi and arkansas and alabama up to the city in the region there were germans in swedes and bohemians, and they moved in different parts of the city in different parts of the metropolitan area and that is the same way every ethnic group moves. every ethnic group moves and they are the same way, the doherty racial and ethnic group as they move in different parts of the city, suburban and urban and counties. we are proud to have large concentrations of americans and of hispanics and other ethnic groups split all over the city and integrated much faster than in the past. >> what you think it will take to get america back on the right

track? >> we have to become confidence. we have become a country of whiners is my theory. [applause] we started writing about the japanese, the japanese are going to take us over. the treatment in the second world war, they are taking us over 1970. what's going to happen, they're going to own the country, that's it we are all out of jobs and about the mexicans and using them in a factory to mexico look what's taking place. we cannot compete or do this or this. now we are wining about the chinese and the indians. [laughter] we are a country of whiners. that's all we are. we should have no confidence we can compete with people if we all sacrifice a little bit for the common good and if we can do that we can compete with every nation. we of the connectivity but we have to allow the best and brightest who come to the universities to stay here. we are not doing that. we are moving them out of this

country and that was the greatness of the country after the second world war guess who founded the the space program those who came from germany and russia, the united states, eisenhower specifically, the great scientist to establish that program and establish by immigrants or foreigners and established. we have to get back into believing we can compete in so many different ways. the whole technology field is here in the united states. it hasn't been around the world. it's right. the great men factors and all that so we have to have more confidence in the future of this country. and it's not just done in washington, d.c.. they have to believe in all the country that all of us can do it on behalf of the country and i think we can. >> this one is a level intrusive. what are your plans for life after being mayor of chicago? [laughter] >> well, it's after 32 years being on the schedule, six or

seven days a week it's amazing and to me a shock, i don't have the schedule but have to have one otherwise i will be giving some teaching and some other things. but i have no regrets of youth missed so much. i haven't missed anything. i've enjoyed public service and have a wonderful public service life so i have no regrets about going into the private sector. >> okay. this may be comical but the call is coming from a lifelong chicago bears fan. [laughter] what are your thoughts on jay cutler? [laughter] i get beaten up just like him so why a understand what he's going to repeatedly understand what he's going through. the public performance to see that, so -- [laughter] >> just don't take it personal.

>> thank you very much for being here. [applause] [applause] [inaudible conversations] elbe conversations

european parliament representing southeast england. in march of 2009, he criticized then british prime minister gordon brown's response to europe's rescission to read that speech has been seen by millions on youtube. a link to the clippers on the web site, cspan.org. he was invited to speak to the leadership program of the rockies in colorado springs.

this is a little less than an hour. >> i wanted to stand up this year the first time i saw dan o'hanlon video on youtube. [applause] [cheering] >> i told myself here's someone who exemplifies what we practice and practice and practice during the speak out session of the lpr class. in fact if you don't know -- those were in the class remember that as our last gathering when we were about to go and launch into this beagle session i said we're going to pause for a moment because i want to show you somebody that typifies everything which practice and speak out. we put on the big screen the youtube speech that is now world famous, and we watched it and by the time we were done everybody was cheering and i remember i said wouldn't it be fun to spend time with that guy and a pretty said the would be great. wouldn't it be fun if he can to the lpr retreat? the would be great.

i said he's coming. and i was really exciting, and now he's here. daniel hannan is a member of the european and parliament for se in glenna since 99. winning the election to the top slot in to those of four and 2,000 fine. in the european parliament he led the campaign for the referendum on the european constitution. he was the first member of the european parliament to write and detail about the elements is and expenses available in brussels. in march of 2009, a year to put a speech to gordon brown and the european parliament attracted 1.4 million hits within the first 72 hours, making it by far the most watched political clout in british history. hannan is the author of nine books of which the most recent, "the new road to serfdom a letter of warning to america," here it is right here, if you want to go home with a copy of it signed by the way, you can

pick it up right back there. "the new york times" best seller. daniel blogs everyday at www.hannan.co.uk at nursing political and cultural issues. his blog attracts 200,000 hits a week from 80,000 unique users. we are very fortunate to have him with us today. please welcome the member of the european parliament, daniel hannan. [applause] >> think you very much for those generous words and the ladies and gentlemen i tell you it isn't something we are accustomed to as members of the year appeal of parliament. [laughter] we are generally not the most popular people. you don't have to contradict when i say that. i got used to it over the years. maybe it has something to do with the fact that none of you can vote for me. [laughter]

you won't find a politician in the united kingdom who is a bigger fan of jeffersonian democracy than me but i suspect in your third president occasionally enjoy being able to speak to an audience when nobody could vote for him and he didn't need to worry about what he said. we had an election a couple of months ago, a general election, and there is nothing like people casting their vote to remind an elected representative of the full diversity of wildlife whom he represents in his constituency. you're chairman knows what i'm talking about what he is too polite. i can see one or two state legislatures think in the same thing and they are also being too polite. i can't help but wonder in the eyes of the capitol former you know about capital in colorado, don't you? and he was delighted to have

come across the member of the european parliament and he told me this long involved story. he had spent a great deal of money on a pedigree bowl which apparently wouldn't to the business, they wouldn't serve any of them and then on the internet, he discovered this wonderful drug and banco the boy couldn't get enough of it and he was absolutely delighted and he was very alarmed to learn that the european parliament was going to ban the substance and i said let me look into that for you. what is the drug called. he said i can't remember what it's called but i can tell you it tastes of savannah seat. [laughter] >> so this is an extraordinary country. when i was researching this book i would be available to sign a

debt 2:00, but i was doing a little bit of primary research i found myself last year and addressing the republican committee of a rural county in the deep south and the committee members looked pretty much the way i would have expected the members of the republican committee of a rural county in the deep south to look there were sunburned and muscular, and one of them asked the question you were losing for a long time and now you're winning. what advice do you have for the gop. one of the mistakes it seems to be looking for outside one of the mistakes you made under the bridge presidency is you turn your back on the states' rights and of localism and study the power in the center running up huge deficits spending lots of money in washington and new struck down from euthanasia to

single-sex unions and a kind of shadow went through the room when i got to the bit about single-sex unions and i thought that was maybe not the right example to give to the republican committee of the county in the deep south. [laughter] and i finished and tecum to become an enormous randy b common with a red baseball cap and a big belly and he said i appreciate you coming. [laughter] i apologize to any southerner's your for this attempt. he said i agree with most of what he said, but i disagree with what you said about the so-called homosexual unions. here we go. he said my experience of being able to get married is one of the advantages i get as a man. [laughter] and i thought truly this is an

astonishing country. [laughter] every time you think you understood it surprises you, the diversity in the united states, the pluralism and the variety is what makes anti-americanism such the doctrine because it isn't like the country where all of mankind is represented as truly misanthropy. [laughter] let me say again what a huge pleasure it is to be in colorado. every time i come here i am struck by how intelligent and levelheaded and patriotic all people are in this rectangular stage. now let me say that i have and perhaps met a completely representative cross section of colorado. i've been here three times. the first was to speak to the independent institute in denver and the second time was to speak to the coke foundation and the

third time is now so maybe i haven't met a completely politically representative cross-section of colorado society. nonetheless, i think that there is something very attractive about the state and it's this: is an encapsulation of boiling down and the subjugation if you like of the things that make america special. americans came along way to find a particular lifestyle to get away from an intrusive government to find freedom and some of them went even further to be further from the government and those were the ones who came to the front and then designed the state constitution's around the maximum power. one of the things i find exciting but the geometrics tapes is the media to the emphasis on the procedures and balanced budget amendment and term limits and so on. this is politically as well as culturally and its saturation of

the american policy. i don't think it was a coincidence that in the novel atlas shrugged this was the last out of freedom in the united states. it was in colorado when it was defeated everywhere else. [applause] and i wanted to say a word about that political inheritance because when i was writing this book i traveled around a number of states but also to speak in the u.s. to congressmen and people on the left and right and journalists and think tanks and ordinary citizens and the same conclusion kept leaping out at me again and again. most americans do not realize how lucky they are you know, the political institution defined the country in many cases unique and almost all cases on usual. i'm talking about term limits, the recall mechanism, the citizens' initiative and

referendum and states' rights and localism, open primaries, totally unique feature but ones that make the largest leaders answerable to the rest of us, and above all i'm talking about the direct election of almost everybody. it's human nature to take for granted that which is familiar to us, but it's these institutions growing organically growing out of the constitution that has served to keep your government more and your people free. sometimes i say this and they say there are cultural differences. we are naturally liberal people. we got away from the monarchies and the collapse is into the old world and so on. i'm afraid that explanation does not quite work. culture is and from disembodied entities that exist alongside institutions. culture is a product of

institutions. if you changed your governing arrangement, if you had the same welfare state, government, the symbol for the apparatus in the state mechanism, the and the other parts of the western liberal you would see how quickly those aspects of american exceptional was some would disappear. the essence of this country is freedom. it was freedom that first called the pilgrims across the sea. freedom of course in the literal sense of wanting to be able to organize and worship as they saw fit without state intervention. but allied and bound up with that was the idea of the self-government free from the aristocracy on the soil of the new world the evolved institutions based on the self-government are bound the maximum devolution of power. so when the framers control the constitution they were not just working from the abstract, they

were encoding of the liberties that were very real to americans of that era. what happened in the old courthouse in philadelphia remains one of the miracles of political development. your constitution has lasted as long as it has because it did exactly the job that envisioned come serving to prevent the concentration power, to make sure that the rulers are accountable to the rest of it. no one is above the law, and that decisions are taken as closely as possible to the people they affect. some of you might be wondering why it is that i come here as a british story, patriotic british story who loves its country very dearly, and in the benefit -- the phrase of the country, the republicans after milbourne of the revolt. isn't it a curious thing that i'm here cruising your

constitution when after all the u.s. was the reaction against the british empire. didn't paul revere rales the nation with his cry of the british are coming? remind you know, he didn't. does anybody know what he actually shot? what he actually said was the regulars are out. can anybody tell me why it would have been pretty bizarre for him to have shouted the british are coming? right, it would have been a pretty unusual thing even in massachusetts they would have been all british. it would have been a very strange thing. [laughter] it would not have occurred to americans patronage or lawyer leal, but the way in which the story of paul revere has been written by historians on both sides i think is a very telling one because eight depends on editing, disregarding a lot of the arguments which your leaders

were using at the time. they never saw themselves -- they saw themselves as conservatives. all that they were asking for in their own mind was the freedom they assumed they had been born with as englishmen. the real revolutionary to them were those in the court who were seeking to unbound the constitution to subject the legislature to the executive to the taxes on the constitutional to impose laws that haven't been properly passed. and that's why if you go back to the foundational documents the main complaint in the declaration the crown was using foreign soldiers come on british. there was a lovely line for jefferson wanted to write the declaration that was edited out. he said we might have been a great and free people together. maybe we still will.

this is more than academic or historical interest. if your government turns his back on the origins, if they lack the humility to understand that they are passing through the institutions that are bigger than they are coming to jeopardize all of the benefit that came from that extraordinary political settlement. i was reading the word of summer in the 1930's where he makes the point, he said our freedoms were won by our ancestors on the battlefields in england. he said there's a straight line that runs from east to philadelphia and it's true. in running it in my constituency, the site where the sign went on mark on till the fifties there was no memorial, not so much as a plaque until a little memorial was raised by the american bar association.

it remains the only monument at the site. but if you have leaders who are fundamentally -- to put it has possible in paris, not hostile to this aspect of your heritage, if you have leaders willing to go around the world and apologize who don't see themselves as heirs to a continuing tradition who don't understand as your founders did that there simply one more link in the train that stretches back to the civil war and even between the great charter to anglo-saxon freedom is the notion that the law comes from the people rather than being imposed by the central states. you are bound to have the change in the balance of power within the united states. and that is more or less what is happening. he was making the argument in the 1930's arguing against the

new deal, against the roosevelt administration. he saw correctly that the outcome of the constitutional changes would be a permanent shift in power in favor of the executive. hall at the the same arguments apply today. when we've seen in the last couple of years the shifts in the jurisdiction from legislator to executive from the states to washington from the elected representative to the unelected upper got this from the citizen to the state. you're current administration policies are not a set of random initiatives slash garbage early together. the amount to a comprehensive program of european ideals. i was on a radio program recently on whether i had the idea of your president not being born in the u.s. could he

possibly be born in kenya he was plainly born in brussels. [applause] [laughter] he is pursuing on health care and welfare and college education and the taxes and cap-and-trade, nuclear disarmament, foreign policy, they are a comprehensive policy of taking the country that is different from western europe and making it more like everywhere else, exactly the point that charles, was making less light. let me tell you, my friend, i've been a member of the parliamentary 11 years. i am living in your future. to get from me, you are not going to like it. when you make the permanent shift in power away from the people and towards the federal bureaucracy, for heaven's sake, to get away from all these are

fast. he would find you need your country less prosperous, less space and less free. we would fall further behind. we should be ringing alarm bells here. in 1974 western europe accounted for 36% of world gdp. over the san period the share of the world gdp accounted for the u.s.'s remained today. what does that tell you. it tells me that if you go down this road towards the nationalization and bailouts to words and expanded states towards the right for the trade unions and regulation of private sector enumeration you will eventually make your economy smaller in a lot of terms in the

short term on lunch breaks and paternity leave and maximum for the dow were working weeks and all the rest of it, what's not to like? but in the end, reality and imposes it and you find either that doherty economy contracts or that you are sustaining it only through debt. and it is at this stage, my friend, that your problems become our problems. when i see you repeating our mistakes, when i see you sitting on the road that europe set out on after the second world war ii words higher taxes and towards more regulation, i don't just feel for you as a fellow english speaking allies, i also worry as a citizen of the world about what this is going to do to the balance of power in the world my children are going to grow up into the we are living at the end of a three or 400 year anglo

ascendancy. the world has been a brighter and happier place because of the hegemony of the english-speaking people. we have a great achievements that we shouldn't be ashamed 82 rushing to pass onto or children from the ending of slavery to the liberation of tens of millions from fascism and communism. there is nothing god-given about entitlement. the law of gravity are not going to be suspended and our favor if we pursue policies that make our nation's poor and weaker. since the credit crunch hit quoting ayn rand which are yearly act to the present discontent. he foresees his fall and they

have his soul who has his bond. which is like the writing on the wall. who has your bond now, who owns american debt now. i think the answer of that question and i tremble. let me quote some figures from the congressional budget office 2010 long-term budget outlook. by 2020, your government will be paying between 15 to 20% of its revenues and debt interest whereas defense spending will be down to between 14 to 16%. what does that mean in reality? last year the u.s. spent $665 billion on its military. the chinese standard of 99 billion. if beijing continues to buy american debt at the present rate, then five years from now the interest payments on your

debt to china will be covering whole of the chinese descent but should they choose to reach out and conquer taiwan, you, my friends, would have paid for it. now, all right. there's nothing you can do and nothing you should want to do about the economic rise of countries in asia if they have discovered hour western secret of the benefits of competition and dissolution and good for them. the bigger the markets the better for our exporters but there is something we can do about our own decline. there is no reason for us to carry on these policies of endless consumption without matching production. there is no reason for us to carry on in getting our children. and i think we as people understand this instinctively that we know it in our bones even if those who call ourselves political leaders seem not to. you know, i was amazed, just

after the credit crunch hit two years ago, by how quickly an intellectual and political consensus formed around the idea of the massive state intervention to bail out the stimulus packages. happened by chance during the conservative party conference, and i was i think the only british elected politician at that time who was opposed to the bailout. there are loads of them in retrospect to say that it doesn't work but there was one of those scary moments where it seemed almost unpatriotic to say we shouldn't be rushing to do something. it's one of those terrible something must be done moments and i remember having an argument with a senior member of my party and he said you are completely on your own on this, hannan, the opposition. well, maybe not alone, you and ron paul. but that's it. [laughter] two weeks later the first poll came out in britain and i was able to send this senior member of my party and e-mail with an attachment saying it turned out

to be me and ron paul and 86% of the british electorate. [applause] [laughter] because most people don't need convincing in the argument that government just like individuals have to live within their means. we all know from our own lives of your maxed out on your credit cards you rain in your spending, you don't spend more. you have to be an economist or a politician not to understand that. [laughter] and most people understand that it's wrong for the tax payers to be pressed into bailing out wealthy individuals in order to rescue them from the consequences. so we don't need to win the battle of ideas. if anything has tilted the argument in favor of the economics it is the event of the last two years but we do need to win the battle of implementation. here is the paradox of our age. we understand and anyone coming into the garden to understand as the previous generations have

and how disastrous it is to keep spending money when you're not making anything. and yet, public policy is for the than it's ever been from that objective and that is the challenge for you and what i hope is going to come out of this summit and make the case for. you still have a representative democracy and mechanisms to make your legislators accountable. you're open primaries and the tea party movement formed to make use of that system has become the process of creating a legislature dedicated to the fiscal. but that isn't an argument you wouldn't want, that is a constant continuing debate. once you take your foot off the accelerator you will see that the government naturally would begin to expand again. make no mistake about what is at stake here. it's not just prosperity, it is about the kind of world that we have taken for granted for these

recent centuries, the world in which there is freedom and constraint and which we expect the laws to be passed and taxes only with popular consent. the world has been fortunate indeed in its superpower. things could look blank with an alternative power as the world so that we close with a heartfelt implication from a british conservative who loves his country to american conservatives who still believe in there's. keep intact inheritance that you've gotten from your parents and pass it on securely to your children. on a division of your founders. respect the greatest constitution designed by human intelligence and never be afraid to speak to and support for the soul of the nation of which by

good fortune and god's grace you are a privileged part. [applause] [applause] >> time for questions and once again we will use the microphone. state your name, where you are from and we will alternate between the two and i will let mr. hannan -- >> will nds from colorado. what is your government thinking about or doing about the possible increase in population in the islamic culture and in

the thinking about the future islam taking over and electing people to your government? >> we already have a number of elected muslim counselors, and their opinions are different from those of the lunatics you hear on television because you wouldn't get elected in the united kingdom standing on a platform of targeting we should be more like iran. there is a reason why these people move into wasn't because they wanted to live under the sharia law but we do have a specific problem with some british-born blaze who've become so alienated from the country decor loved that an extreme cases they have been driven to take up arms against it. on the battlefield in afghanistan and pakistan we have rounded up dozens of british-born muslims. people asked what is it that

could have alienated the products of the british welfare state and these kids that have grown up in britain with all of their care looked after what could have pushed them into this position of belligerence and hostility? the clue is the question. it is precisely their dealings with of the british welfare state that taught them to despise the country. if they got any history at all in english schools it would have been presented to them as a hateful, call racism and exploitation. when they find the indigenous country men scorned and when they see the elite of the country are giving that the nation's state is finished and we should all be europeans now that the united kingdom is a discredit the concept how does that help them fit him? it has no coincidence seeing the british as the brand scorned in this way that some of the native

people at the united kingdom started going backwards towards the identities of the english or whatever. but what does that leave the child of immigrants? what is there for him to be part of? and this is the point for the prime minister in his speech three weeks ago in munich. the problem hasn't been what immigrants coming and demanding that we change everything. the problem has been inside the government sector who have the vested interest in fostering differences. in the local government we have these armies of racism and awareness and interpreters and outreach consultants and cultural diversity titres. they're the people whose jobs would disappear if assimilation became a reality. and as written it is difficult to get a man to understand something when his job depends upon not understanding. that's the target of the prime

minister. i've got to tell you this may come as a surprise to some of you and i know it's not what you durell reza this meeting at these kind of meetings, but i have not had a single muslim constituent who had been other than approving of what david cameron said. it seems to them obvious they shouldn't be giving money to the organizations that reject democracy and women's rights and equality before the law. that is as we would sit on my side of the atlantic a statement of the pretty bloody obvious. [laughter] that anyone found it shocking, the extraordinary thing is we got the stage for the pri minister had to stand up and say that it was a bad idea to use the taxpayers' money to foster the division. there is a lesson for you, my friends, there is one of the things your country has been very, very good at is likely is making people feel part of the common dream and nation. typically warm and optimistic phrase that ronald reagan used when he set it free immigrant

makes america a more american. what a great and wonderful way of encouraging people to settle in. you know if you go around the world of publicizing, if you turn your back on the things that made this country strong and great and free and drove your father to extend the version of freedom, you make it much harder for the newcomers to assimilate. we have called on almost too late. don't repeat our mistakes. yes? >> david carlson, class of 2010. how many do we have out there? okay. thank you for taking the trip across the pond to be here today. my question is rather straightforward. i lived in holland for one year and holland and i have socialized medical care. i've lived under the socialist government and systems, and it's very clear to me that it's not the best system.

but i would like to ask you what we can do to inform people in the united states that keep hearing over and over the the british medical system is better than here, that the canadian system is better than here and the cubin system is better than here, and these people -- we soak it up here and we just believe what we read and i have to look at people and say i live there, i know what it's like and it's not superior to the system here and freedoms we have in this country and i hate to see us moving in that direction so in a practical level fisa would give would be appreciated. >> once you have done this, you will find it almost impossible to go back. it will take over the political system and you will find as we found that it's become almost beyond criticism. so if you're planning to repeal, you do it right now, the idea -- [applause] whether you can see if it works

out and come back i tell you that is and what works and i tell you why. you're specific question book, and free health care system of the world you have good and bad outcomes in every system of the world of good and bad people. but there is no system in the world that is perfect and the danger is people talk only because we are all human beings, the top from personal experience but if you look at the measure double data comedy in critical evidence, survival rates, waiting time, longevity you can make a comparison and see our system, the british system based on the government monopoly isn't the worst in the industrialized world but it's pretty bad. and we are on most measures behind some countries not nearly as wealthy as we are and how likely you are to survive a heart attack and cancer. on those measurable things we do

badly and actually the current government is taking steps to try to make the system a little bit more responsive, but here's the thing it is almost impossible to make that argument because any criticism of the system is held down as an attack on the people who work in it and simply to say what i've said which i said before in this country and my own is immediately to invite the response from the left and health care union to say you are attacking our hard-working doctors and nurses will of course i'm not doing that. we have many decent patriotic hard-working people who are doing their best in the system that doesn't maximize their potential. far from attacking, i'm not even attacking the lazy ones. all i'm saying is we could do better, and in terms of innovation and out come, you are on your way to carry on on this road towards the system you will be unhappy with but once

politicians become personally responsible for everybody that is lobbying on the trolleys for want of a dead, not only would you not be able to reform it you won't be able to pick up the budget so i hope he thought this through because there will be no going back. >> good morning, john andrew sum sentinelle institute. we hear about the fiscal crisis of greece, ireland and other countries around the periphery of the european union. from your standpoint as the parliamentarians, how much is that going to affect the continuation of the whole project, the hero is a common currency and the appetite of the british people to further integrate with eurith? >> well to take the last bit, the only have it in britain for close integration comes from a handful of politicians, diplomats and big corporations no ordinary person who doesn't have stayed and supports it. it is to get a referendum

because there is such a mismatch between public opinion and political opinion. two-thirds of the people want to leave the union and that is what happens when you don't have the primaries. it's obvious what should happen. what this crisis has proved is that you cannot apply a single monetary policy to the widely divergent economies. is exactly what those of us who oppose the bureau are predicting what would happen, and it's come to pass. so what should happen is we should allow the peripheral countries to leave the monetary union, to print their own currency, again, to suit their monetary policy to their own interest and needs. unfortunately, that is not what is happening. because that is the default

assumption is that the answer is always more europe would avert the question with the answer is there is always more europe. is it doing badly? more in europe, the revolution, give up. more europe. [laughter] and of course there is a logical flaw because they are saying the european integration has failed so let's have more of it. because monterey union has been a disaster let's have the fiscal and economic union as well. i suppose in the one sense they are indicating what the skeptics argue from the beginning. we always said this could only work if they took away the national democracy of the member state and had a single system of government. john keynes argued that he who controls the currency controls the country. i promise that is going to be the only time that i quote him approvingly either today or any -- never mind. let me give you a much better

source than john maynard keynes. let me refer you to matthew chapter 2. whether it is proper to pay taxes to rome what does he say? why tempt me tikrit, showed the tribute money. and they brought on and jesus said on to them who is this image in superscription they answered him jesus. then jesus said render them the things which are ceaseless and on to god the things which are god. before you conclude by completely lost my mind i'm not arguing our lord is on one side with the other on the argument of the euro. [laughter] the point of the story is when he was looking to identify the supreme source of the temporal power, the one absolute symbol of the government control he pointed to the economic policy isn't some issue ministers could amount to in their fair time governing is the central business of the modern state and

if that power passes from the 27 nations of europe to the institutions of the e.u. and the bureaucrats who run them we have given away our democracy. >> the colorado springs. i lived for two years in the u.k. and i can attest what you say about the respective things are given, the american experiment was worth repeating elsewhere and ideas flow back and forth across the atlantic. the leadership wants to be more europe, people as you are seeing are rising up against that. in the u.k. you just had a conservative government. where are you going with that? are you going to get less welfare state? benet we are making sensible welfare reform. that is the single best thing the government is doing but the

government has run up again and again against the reality of the treaty obligations. it finds that even the smallest domestic reforms turn out to be against some directives or another. so last week, david cameron had this big idea the one thing he said he wants to be remembered for which he calls the big society and will be familiar in the future to an audience like this is not any specifics, his idea is there is a state and st and the individual that the civic society and churches and charities and so on and they should be doing the things the government is currently doing. we all agree with that conservative libertarian. he was going to fund the transition to the big society by using the money that has gone unclaimed in bank accounts for i think 25 years or something. it's forgotten, just standing there and currently isn't doing anything. the day before he announced the policy he was told that there

was against the law. my point is not that you should or shouldn't be able to access the bank accounts. it is what the devil does this have to do with the european union? how did that come across the border issue? and this is what we have come up against again and again. i discovered the other day that i am obliged by the e.u. to keep my children in car seats when i drive them down until they reached the age of 12. i've been looking forward to discarding the yogurt encrusted that are faced than that. the car seat, not of the children. [laughter] some of you might think that makes me in a responsible data point is whether how did it ever become an international question of the e.u. to decide on and impose uniform of the half a million people. not even your federal ones and in europe it's decided that international level and that is the basic problem more than 80%

of our laws are coming from brussels from people that nobody has voted for. this is the opposite of the constitutional baster not the personal power, freedom of the citizen and maximization of the democracy on which it is based. the line one of the opening treaty of rome and the ever closer union of the centralization of power. i look forward to the day when it becomes an independent country and we have a vote on this and on the confident my countrymen will reestablish their sovereignty and i look forward to reforming a closer and non-governmental genuine and organic union with the other english-speaking people. when we looked at the greatest threat to freedom of the last few hundred years and who descends it is the same countries whose names come up again and again, united states, united kingdom, canada,

australia. and that to me, that is a genuine union based upon speech, law, history and affinity, not on the government or treaties or trade. i feel we would be a much happier people what we discovered our global and ancient friendship with you. [applause] >> steve burton and i confess having spent nine months in the u.k. and the nhs hospitals as a student seeing some of the open words. but that isn't my question. at the moment the dollar is still primarily the world's primary reserve currency but the

rate we are printing them that may not last much longer. what kind of currency might you see as the world's reserve currency if the dollar is dethroned. >> i would like to see a commodities currency. we have had 40 years of the currency and inflation and a decline. [applause] whether that is likely to happen i don't know. our bank of england is now plainly per serving as a matter of the liberal policy, the only way that they can he rode the debt incurred by the government. and there is something fundamentally dishonest allowed to doing that but is the behavior we have seen from every government in the west over the past 40 years. i was reading a lecture a couple of weeks ago called how to stop inflation. and in his first paragraph he said something, look, i'm going to talk publicly about how you settle the argument, how you can

persuade people to pursue the alternative policy but let me tell you how to control inflation you stop the printing press, like that. it's the easiest thing in the world and if there were one thing i would do in this country it would be that, stop the press cost of borrowing money, stop making things. yes. [applause] >> from denver and austin texas. my question is whether or not the federal government, which cherishes and admirers the power can possibly be expected to run a foreign policy which you would hope can support the american experiment and said support for example the strong central regime in baghdad at the extent of the autonomy. >> governments don't generally do things well today? >> they aren't good at running airlines or making cars, they were not very good at installing telephones or running hospitals or schools, and even the things they more or less have to do, such as controlling exports

externals policy you could make them do it better if they were more accountable, more space, more in tune with public opinion. what are the best foreign policies for the u.s.? the one you're founders envisioned. lead by moral example. show people the success of your system so they want to emulate it. it's really cheap and it doesn't involve invading anybody. [laughter] and it's what your current president said on the night he won, he made one of his typically uplifting speeches. he said we've shown our strength is not in the armies or resources, but it is in our system, our democracy and hope to read and i hope he acts on that. one thing you can be doing now in the things katie was talking about in the middle east is you can show ka people a better alternative. you cannot beat yourself popular by emulating that more perspective when you perform them. [applause] last one.

>> my name is mike and dandridge we did in 2008 and i and from our rot and i have one quick question from you. what sort of goals and aspirations do you have for yourself going forward? do you have any other high your aspirations where you are currently at in the government or do you plan on stepping up high year or anything like that? >> on the contrary nothing would make me happier than to abolish my job. to have a situation where there are no british members because the united kingdom has left to the european union. i may have to impose a term limit on myself, but the best would be the abolition of the assembly. let me if i may just digress briefly on this. i had the great privilege at the end of last year of visiting ronald reagan's ranch outside of santa barbara. i would really recommend it. it's run by the young america's

foundation and as i went around that little house i thought with every step, my respect for this man is increasing. in my job i go to a number of politicians houses, and usually there are reminders and pictures of the guy with a pope or the queen or whatever, gifts from visiting statesmen and by important people. in ronald reagan's ranch, there is no hint that this was the home of the leader of the free world for eight years. nothing political about it. the shower head is the liberty bell. that is the only political personnel. [laughter] but he had his own telegraph poles that he saw himself and painted himself and i thought this is exactly the kind of politician the founding fathers envisioned. he couldn't wait to get back from governing writer down on

his ranch. margaret thatcher visited and love that, that the basic character of the little ranch reflected it. gorbachev hated it. he couldn't understand how anyone could. you remember the picture of his wearing his cowboy hat the wrong way around. [laughter] head of the greatness he didn't want to be there. he couldn't wait to get back to read all of the quotes were so popular my favorite one was i never drank coffee at lunchtime. it keeps me awake in the afternoon and i thought isn't that, isn't that what you want from every politician? [laughter] he was visited once by a liberal journalist. she couldn't believe how basic it was. it wasn't her idea of how

republicans ought to live and she said to him incredulously what is the attraction? and in that wonderful way he added the surrounding california high land and he quoted i will lift up on to the hills. that's what you need, my friend from somebody modest enough to understand in government you are passing through institutions bigger than you are. [applause] ..

>> next, a forum on how courts deal with high profile cases in digital age. panelists syncrude federal judges who presided over the california case on same-sex

marriage is and regarding teaching intelligent design in schools. from the arizona state university, water contrite school of journalism, this is a little more than an hour. >> thank you. will deflect. will deflect will probably go a little over the 2:45, will probably go a little over the 2:45, but willow was so be cognizant of your need for a break. having the pain of red after lunch is never the primetime, so will make sure that we get you a break here in new worker. i would like to introduce their panelists. i'm not going to take a lot of time. we have a solar panel with us. let me start in the middle with elizabeth or betsy paret, the circuit executive at the u.s. court of appeals for the d.c. circuit, a longtime court administrator and also has first

hand experience in the frontlines of several high visibility cases, including the terrorism case where she was the clerk in the eastern district of virginia. to my immediate left we had judge john jones, u.s. district court for the middle district of pennsylvania. he was confirmed back in july july 2002. he has had several notable cases, the best known for the landmark case kitzmiller versus dover area school district, where he found it on comp additional to require teaching intelligent design in public schools. we have judge walker with a gui heard firm and with a great presentation. judge walker interceded recently retired. is that correct? [laughter] recently retired. >> not quite.

[inaudible] >> well, that's a good thing. i will. i'll be on my guard. judge walker is the reputation of being media friendly. we heard his presentation. most notably he had the property case that we heard about. and finally, pete wade sues the justice news correspondent since the early 90s was press official in various capacities for a number of years. all of these people are highly equated with high visibility cases and that's what we're going to talk about today. high visibility cases in the digital age. now been the digital age, i was following people tweeting premiere this morning as i was sitting in the back row following the hash tag and one of the treats was who the heck

is in this audience anyway? that was one of the tweet. i know by looking at here we have judges, court staffers and lawyers. so i don't want to take a lot of time because we are short on time. let me shortcut is. how many fewer journalists or journalism students out there? so we do have a few. all right. good. well, we've been talking all day today about the concept of new media. and let me just start off with saying a couple of things myself. i think this term is a moving target. what new media means and what it means in relationship to the judiciary. we've talked about new media, but if in fact -- if i had my students here, undergraduate journalism student and i used

the term new media, they would look at me like i was in the dark ages. new media is no longer new media, folks. it's been around for 20 years. it's coming you know, maybe 15 years. but we have to decide -- my students would call it digital media. they call it social media, but they certainly wouldn't use the term new media. but i think we have to look at what new media means. is it -- does it mean just the technology or is it really a new approach to assembling and distributing news and information? i think that is something that we really need to define. and i don't think that we have so far. so maybe my panel can help with this. i think the overriding message today though is that we are living in an environment that is changing.

we are living in a changing media environment. and if you really look at it, the media landscape has changed more in the last five years, certainly in the last 10 years senate did in the previous 60 years. it is constantly on the move so far so fast that my journalistic colleagues can't even keep up with that, let alone people in other areas of public life and certainly in the judiciary. we tell our students and they come in that the technology they use when they graduate probably hasn't been invented yet. the company they work for probably doesn't exist. that is how fast things are going, yet we are trying, i think, in the judiciary, if i can put my judicial hat on for a moment, we are trying to play

catchup. so really what we want to look at his new media, however we define it in this digital age of mobility and news as conversation and news that you can use, when you want it, where you want to do and how want to come to the impact on our cases. in the first question i want to pose to our panel is what constitutes a high visibility case? i know some facts are so obvious, the property case or perhaps even the intelligent design case. we've seen high visibility cases come out of this this we see peterson case, one that i thought was a fairly typical albeit lawyered murder case that we see in courts all over the country all the time. yet it drove ratings for months and months. so what constitutes a high

visibility case? with that i would go to judge jones first. >> i attempted to see in the answer to that is what attracts the obscenity definition. i can't exactly define it, but i can tell when one is coming and there are a myriad of fact is that going to bed appraisal in a particular case that she can see and feel and particularly in however we did find media and new age, the blogosphere, the online services and so forth. it's somehow counterintuitive, a case that might otherwise be a local homicide case because of certain aspects of the case. they think their cases cases you

can flatly be sensational and kerner media attention. others really spring out of nowhere because of some cultural aspect of the case for something that catches committee that the public with immediacy and see. it's hard to have a cookie-cutter for high-profile cases. >> i think there are four different types. they were at the issue high-profile cases, prop eight, intelligent design case with the paradigm examples of this kind. you have the celebrity type of hope right for cases. barry bonds come in the that might colic is going to begin training shortly and nicole smith's various proceedings. you have to sensational -- o.j.

simpson with the an example of those. you have to sensational cases for event or crime or circumstances arisen that is highly unusual. the scott peterson case is an example. the chandra leavy case would be an example. then you have those with a political dimension, the estes case i spoke about would be an example. what was really driving that case was lyndon johnson connection. and there probably are some other types, but i think there are at least those four types in the dynamics differ a bit with each. >> let me ask you the following. maybe you've answered in your last comment. the u.s. adjudge treat all of those cases in the same manner where do you have different categories? >> well, i think these are the

categories in the way you would do it them would be quite different because of the issues he would confront me be different. you have a different dynamic in a case that's going to be tried in a jury and as i mentioned in the presentation, the ninth circuit rule or the ninth circuit proposal would allow broadcasts and nonjury civil trails, but not criminal trials and not jury trials. you have problems of management in a jury trial that don't exist in a civil trial and in a non-jury trial. that is one jury distinction. >> i know that you probably take judge jones definition that they know a high visibility case than

they need one, but it seems like what we are seeing more and more these days are what would normally be regional or a locally high visibility case being picked up by media dateline or some other program and on the sudden becoming a national phenomenon. we've had a case in ohio where the defendant had his own website and had witnessed is actually in third trial of the first with the guilty verdict and the third trial had witnesses one from california, one from new york could take to defend dateline, gone to the website and actually had conversation. so we had what was a local case of moderate interest all of a sudden have national viability. >> there has to be some

characteristic that attracts a national audience. it's always been true whether it's a mother who kills her own children or someone accused of negligence that causes a big fire and killed a lot of people. the only thing i do to judge walker's sisters terrorism cases. i'm not sure we put the pretty made off whether it be sensational or wet, but there are these cases. the definition to mean is one that i don't know if i'm going to get to see in the courthouse because so many are going to show up for it. two treated journalistically differently? >> no, i don't think so, the fact that i get to cover it. there's a lot of trails i don't get to cover. as a network, nbc nightly news tends to put on only very high-profile cases. there's a lot of trails that go on.

but ted stevens case recently was when we did a lot of stories on them. today programs have a somewhat more interest in some of the other categories that you mentioned. they may be interested in some of the current cases and that kind of thing. we tend to approach them pretty much the same way. the same challenge for us. >> betsy, we don't want to ignore you. you have the probably terrible job of having to coordinate a high visibility case. talk about that a bit. >> from an administrator's perspective, we know the high-profile, when they call up on the phone out of the blue and start asking questions about this case we've never heard of. for us, we are processing cases we don't really pay attention and all this and we get inundated with phone calls, start having people asking our

staff posters of questions that we start getting questions about, are we going to have a seat in the courtroom? is there any more in the pressroom? are there things we can do to prepare for this they are? and one of the things you have to take into account is making sure we are treating all of these journalists fairly and equally in making sure everybody will have access with technology, whether it's new or old, has made that a thousand times easier from a court administrator. >> it's funny. i've been at the judiciary for 20 years. the first 10 years since the district court in d.c. as of hope right both cases they appear at the big if everybody would be running to the copiers because you had to copy these opinions and hand them out in the clerks office. with the advent of e-mail and the advent of websites and the advent of cnbc filing lipservice and now you've got rss feeds,

twitter, we can do everything faster now and no paper is involved. >> for the digital age in new media we have been designing makes it easier for you? not harder? >> now, much, much easier. in terms of having a better understanding of what's going on, were able to put the exhibit better introduced itn trial on the website so everybody has everything. i mean, the question then hanging around loitering at the clerk's office doesn't exist anymore because everybody has access to everything online. >> the only thing i would ask is that every of new media, old media, fresh media, whatever category you want to call it, for reporters, the challenges haven't changed and that is access to the courtroom. we'll have a seat in the

courtroom and i get there? and access to the documents and all the filing. i think -- i've been through a couple cases that they see us manage manage. i'm always glad to know she's managing the case because i know it will work very well. just to give you quick example. what she did in the ted stevens case with the states of virginia and maryland in the d.c. sniper case as well is to send out an e-mail saying ok, we'll have this trial thing. you ought to cover, let us know. that gives the court an idea of how many people will show a period of them in planning committee to have an overflow courtroom or not? credential you, i like that because what i don't want to do is find out that i couldn't get in because for people from cbs in the past and three people from the "washington post" had a pass. trying to enforce that one to a customer role. in showing a little flexibility because i will start the day out in the courtroom. but if the case is going to go

till 5:30, i can't start writing at 5:30, when i go on an hour later. so i want to swap my seat out for somebody else in the afternoon and they have a way of doing that. so access is terribly important to me, knowing i want to be in the courtroom. if they can't, i'll go to the overflow courtroom. you see it so much in the courtroom itself. access to documents has changed, but not nearly enough. i took some at the administrative office to revise in some cases really good and in some cases really pathetic sights. but you know, some of the rules that just came out for the administrative office are still little baffling. for example, according to the administrative office, all apc website for a court is supposed to be actual pacer site, we look at the documents. the course website come you satisfy rule set for opinions you just have a link to the pacer site.

some courts have opinions when they come out. some courts have opinions the next day. some courts have only high-profile case opinions. there is a large profile there. brittany mentioned rss feeds come in the ability to go win a track a specific case. attracting the property case or an example right now. i'm trying to watch the silence here in arizona in the jared lost their case. so there's maybe 10 or 12 or 15 case is that i'm very interested in it what you see every filing. so what i have to do as i start my day and i go to the arizona website and i go into pacer and c. is still at 89, ok. is there a way to have a little e-mail sent out, whenever there is a new fad, that would be tremendously helpful. you did it in your case. but i asked the arizona -- asp arizona clerks company do that? no i'm sorry, we don't do that. that's one thing that would be tremendously helpful. a little e-mail of the time there's a new filing.

in a case like yours camilla travis at the wall because you get 30 or 40 a day. still, that's fine with me. >> what do you think it did to us? [laughter] >> so, the other thing i noticed in the rules sent out is that notable case information is down in the bottom tier of the useful information to consider. if not the top tier of required for highly recommended. so from a reporter's consumer standpoint, i think pacer has a long way to go. and finally, to the judges from the courts of appeal, however varied in quality the district court websites are, the federal court of appeal websites are generally pretty terrible. there are some great exceptions, but they are generally not very hopeful. in the pacer site that the courts of appeal used is vastly confusing.

you get a different result if you click on the name of the case as opposed to the docket number of the case. it takes you down all these little funny byways and highways. so i would hope that that is one place where life can be done by the courts. >> i can't tell you how important it is to people like a seat doing what she has done, trials she's handled. for a lot of courts, not in d.c., nikes to high-profile cases. our clerks arrive without a template to handle in the largest case that i handle as does mention the intelligent design case. we had to grab things from other best practices and there really wasn't a model for us to use. interpeak point about media access, i finally get over to another deputy clerks, a great

deputy clerk who figured it out. we started with the cherry for the press in the jury box. and then it came to pass that we have multiple representatives from one particular outfit. and then we had to figure out how we're going to do it. i was the joe court of appeals on the court couldn't figure out where to see people sketch artists and so forth in the courtroom. as a trial judge, you have enough to do when you're in the middle of this, without having to make those determinations. and i think court have to get smart very quickly unless you're used to these high-profile cases, which come right down the pipeline one by one. but i can't overstate how important it is to have, because of the somewhat limited resources we have in the federal court, good clerks offices who can handle these things in grad best practices from across the united states as we figure out

how to handle these cases and not disenfranchise the press can give everybody appropriate access and make sure there's appropriate coverage as is desired obviously. >> were you surprised at the interest? were you surprised at the level of media? >> i thought i was prepared, but i was sent. i guess i was surprised and i joke that as i was waiting to take the bench in the first day, my deputy kept running in and out of chambers. she would go into the courtroom as the corporate begin to fill out. she would say to me, you like to see it out there. you can't imagine what's going on out there. after the fourth trip by seth lives, you are really not helping me at all by saying that. and so, yeah, it was surprising, but i guess i shouldn't have been surprised on the other hand. >> judge walker, how much of a

distraction is it for you to be involved in logistics of this? or do you get the logistics to someone else and you try to say apart from that? how do you handle that? is it different now digitally than it was a few years ago? >> taking the first question, what i have found the most helpful was trying to delegate as much as possible to other people in the court administration. unfortunately, i'm blessed with some extremely able individuals who are able to do much of the work in new interface with the media. and did all of the things i think that we've described today. so i did not have any unusual degree of administrative burden when conduct in the proposition

8 case or an another high-profile case that preceded it, although obviously in a quite different schedule and that is the cases above above international security aviation wiretapping services. but the impact on a judge in a case like this is really much more personal than it is administratively. and you have a pressure brought to bear on you in these cases that simply don't exist in ordinary cases. because you realize the extent to which you are being scrutinized in the proceedings are being scrutinized and you of course are attempting to conduct an inappropriate way, consistent with the law and appropriate procedures. if so, there is a pressure that a judge feels in these cases that simply does not exist in what you might describe as a migrant case.

>> i absolutely agree. and to reiterate, you have quite enough to do without worrying about some of these logistical issues. and it's amazing to me how things are accelerating because i tried the case i spoke about five years ago -- over five years ago. it we did not have any requests to, for example, plaque in the courtroom. i suspect that i would've had dozens in the case had been tried last year. so we are moving at light speed and it requires clerks offices to be absolutely cutting edge in terms of recognizing the various technologies in the methodologies used by the media. it really is breathtaking and it requires the federal judiciary to stay on top of these things

so that we can give these tools to not just federal judges, the clerks offices too. there's no shortage on how to profile cases from taxi time obviously. and we are going to need these templates to put it to grab it in future cases. >> betsy, we heard about pete wants to have his seat in the courtroom and make sure it better in all of these things that he is a member of the established media are the legacy media at nbc news certainly feels entitled to. how do you balance that with the blogger? the citizen journalist? we such as cats and figures scoring were pretty astounding to what he decides his regular bloggers. how do you weigh those of access

issues? >> and never came out. blogging wasn't that big when the trial started. in 2006. but it did come up with the libya trial and the senator stevens trial. and in d.c., what ended up happening was because of the interest, with the courtroom in their roles for the courtroom. no electronic devices at all. there is no overflow courtroom to extort. i'm the first lord of the courthouse, there's a media center and it has four large screens endovascular shots from the court room units of the charge, the lawyers and the witnesses and then the exhibit coming up. and the media center, reporters, bloggers, they have their laptops and there's a wi-fi

connection and they are real-time reporting what is going on in the courtroom. and we had a media center was the more popular than actually to let courtroom because reporters were able to file their stories and bloggers were providing all sorts of colorful analysis about things that may be traditional media would cover it, which made for, i think a lot of people following the story checking the "washington post," but also checking out lockers because they were reporting on the mood in the room, that the clock stopped into its representatives of the. [laughter] time stood still. and there were some funny moments that came out of that, that really gave people a much better sense of what was going on in the case, as if you were in the courtroom. so it worked out great and the

responses have been wonderful from all of the judges. so in a high-profile case to miss playing out in d.c., and the media center always be there can be used. >> not every court has a media center. and pete, you're not going to be a very happy man if some unknown blogger gets your seat. >> first of all, when i heard you say the term citizen journalist, i was reminded of john hewitt at cbs news is that citizen journalists, citizen for insertion, what's the difference? [laughter] but even for those of us steam driven user can nation, times have changed for us, too. when i came 17 years ago, there was no msnbc cable network. the high-profile trial is a lot of interest in a tug in polls

between the type to have every half hour, every hour. and that he was to come i can't find out what's on the courtroom, so there's always a tug and pull on that. secondly, there was no msnbc.com, which is one of the most popular sites for news. so you know, were expected to file for those. my colleague, tony, stats about how life is different for him. >> describe how life is different. >> i sit next to robert burns from the "washington post" and he's a closet sized booth is next to mine. hideous to be one of the decision came down he would take us time i read a a story, file it at around 4:00 or 5:00 in the afternoon, they would edit it and be in the paper. now he's expected to quickly throw something on the "washington post" website. this is true for all of my newspaper colleagues, whether it is adam liptak from "the new york times" or tony, so some of

us air broadcasters have always been the necessity to file something quickly 34 years ago would have been radio, that we found out about something and the precourt. even for as old-fashioned as commander smart pressure to file more often during the day. but you are right. getting a seat in the courtroom is pretty hard to report on what happens if you're not sitting inside, which brings me to transcripts. [laughter] there was a great service for a while. as a matter of fact to mobius to the lectern in the saudi case. if we couldn't be there that day, for some reason, in the long trail you look at the witnesses and their sundays he won't be on the air there's no real need to be there. there is a service you could get the transcript every day of any big trail in the country. and it went like gangbusters for about five years and then it folded. but that's another thing for courts to think about. we have gone through this long protracted and i think

ultimately successful battle with the u.s. supreme court. we can now get the transcript of work argument to the court. ready for this? the same day. now, used to be up for one of the transcript the same day, we would be in together and cough up enough money to go to the reporting service and pay them and it would come to us at the astonishingly early 6:00 p.m. now, the court has actually authorized us to get an unofficial transcript at about 1:00 in the afternoon for oral argument that ends at 11:00, the first argument to the day. we could see a rough draft at 1:00, tremendously helpful. transcripts can be extremely useful. and i watched some of these folks with life on trials or send wife treats.

i wonder to myself, how do they take notes? obviously their tweets become their notes, but a treat is hardly comprehensive. >> so i think it would be helpful to get transcripts were easily. >> george washington come here looking questioning. >> i'm questioning how to do that. >> we've got trail transcripts every day. >> a person was doing real-time reporting and at the end of the session with a blow to this company and anyone could get the morning session within an hour. it was expensive, but then you got the real-time transcript that afternoon, so basically it was daily. >> one of the things same hearing that the results of our combination is however you want

to define it is reason the bar and the internet as far as the media see to have greater expect patience of immediacy, would you agree with that? >> one of the things that was funny was judge franklin and i had a practice that when there was an order she would send it to the lawyers first and then within 10 minutes we would post it on the website. well, one of the voyeurs leaked it to cnn. and so, all of the reporters reminded us because they had a 10 minute leave. we told the judge and from that point forward, the lawyers got it 60 seconds before we hit the website so nobody got it before anybody else because that is a huge -- >> that's an eternity now and

the competitive world. >> and media see doesn't always equate to accuracy, which you agree with? >> yes, i would say seldom. >> it takes a little time to figure out what a court order said. if you know what's coming and you are prepared for it and you know that the judge who granted or denied or it's going to be affirmed or reversed and you are well prepared. as soon as it goes out, you know what to say and then you can go back and fill in details. sometimes it's an order comes out of the blue and you're not ready, it does take a while to think about what it says. >> one of the things we found very helpful in the propositioning case was to give lawyers advance notice of when an order is coming out. so they would be prepared to make comments. they will have read they will

say whatever it is they are going to say we have no problem >> we had final decision fanout to the lawyers with the proviso they were three or four hours initiative is out of this on the air, except for that experience, i think it a hopeful practice to at least give the lawyers at days advance notice. >> we in the intelligent design case give 48 hour notice that i was about to file my decision and that decision was filed with the month, six weeks after the trial had concluded that we thought it was an appropriate courtesy to allow the media to

gather, to do what they needed to do. we knew they would come back to the district in many cases to want to have access to the parties and do follow-ups on the decision came out. we thought that worked very well , while the rows to harrisburg were clouds and turbines before it the decision came down. i didn't think that was a courtesy to extend and that was sort of the capstone of the media experience that we have. i can understand why that would work in every case, but it seemed to work nicely in mind. >> either way, speaking of websites and access to decisions, i am competing, msn, with members of the public does not drive no greater access to a

court room than anyone else to get a seat in the courtroom and sometimes certain seats will be set aside in some for everybody else. the same is true kidding -- it's a bigger problem getting access to the website because when everybody knows i'm sitting in front of the camera when i need to prop eight cases coming and were fresh in the website every 30 seconds and it just froze. the website, the backup website, the people were watching to call every lawyers to e-mail the decision if you have it and found one of the e-mails, but the website will completely go out. yes, sir, the pacers site which would've served so well at the moment -- at the big moment is still asleep and got very tired. and this is a problem because they've not only now competing with my other colleagues who are sitting and waiting to file

something quickly, but everybody else in the state of california and elsewhere who is interested. so there's another dimension to this access issue. >> a doctor when the moussaoui trial was over, evidence introduced was posted on the courts website and there's a lot of video, which was a huge bandwidth taken up and slowing things down and it crashed because everybody was so interested in wanting to see certain tings introduced. one of the lessons learned and i'll share this with the court colleagues is when there is something like that and you're concerned the court's website will crash that have google posted work out an arrangement with the really big powerful server company, somebody who can sort of post about one particular thing so it doesn't crash.

>> i'm interested in following up your insert to my question is immediacy that sometimes opposed accuracy. in a way, we heard howard talking this morning that he was live blogging from the courtroom. we have all this technology that now allows us to have greater immediacy as a service to take a breath, to study, to look at something and then go with that. >> or somebody in my name for it. i'll get back to you later. it's never an answer they want to hear. i guess it's part of a -- part of a balanced diet, diet are. you know, there are days when you want to know what should walker do. td strike at downer not?

and then tomorrow morning ability of "the l.a. times" analysis company or times, which it discussed on "nightline." but that the moment, getting the word out quickly is very important. >> there aspects to the trial to take a while to get into the weeds and subtleties of what they said in the decision that's very, very important. >> one of the things we did was because of the verdict, it is very complicated and they gave topics at the blake verdict form to all of reporters, so other reporters had a chance to really study and no if he was guilty of what it all meant, so we knew who was lost with the answer was. then you could spend time talking about nuances of the various detailed part of the

verdict. >> the ninth district, the judicial corruption trial just concluded and very difficult occasion involving juveniles when was tried in front of my colleagues in the verdict came down while we were eating lunch. i like many more consumers checked in the local newspaper and watched as the accounts came down, read and that's what people want to see. that's what i wanted to see. and there will be time for the sidebar articles that analyze what the real result is coming guilty to both counts under 39 count, what are the ramifications come out of the defendant react what are the comments and so forth.

it's been ingrained now that we want the instant gratification and we want to know if the jury is -- a judge or the jury for a person is reading verdicts on individual accounts. i don't think their exclusive, but i think they exist, given, again, the new media and what we expect of the media today. >> your questions are more important. let's go to you now. >> i joined the district of corolla eddo and 97, 98, we had to trial. one of the things we were concerned with normalizing operations for the rest of the accord because all the arrests and other trials and cases of the litigant and we normalize as much as possible. i would just be curious how the

judge could have more recent high profile trials and impact on the balance of the court to these, which one would argue are just as important as the hope argyle trials, even before the news media. >> again, the question -- comment was in high visibility of trials going on in dominating so much attention. how does the rest of the court in the high-profile manner so it's not totally disrupt to the court operations. >> who wants to go without? >> i think that in my court, because it's a fairly small court, the members of my court, collegial as they are, understood there would be some disruption, but we had some

logistical issues just in terms of space, overfull courtrooms, but everybody accommodated me during the time of my trial, which was about six weeks in duration. we rotate courtrooms occasionally and i would camp out a lot of high-tech before retrofitting the courtroom and needed a high-tech courtroom that we utilize for the case. there was no small amount of interest by my colleagues as well and frequently laypersons ask, they say, well, did your colleagues want to know about -- did they ask you what you're going to do quite >> know, those were judges. and you know that wasn't the topic of discussion at all. i said judges want to get together and talk about a day in court. they like ups drivers. did you dump a truck today? did you cause a problem?

or did you have somebody acting up you couldn't handle in court. i think in the main -- in my experience, the colleagues were accommodating and understood the enormity of the task we had during that period of time. >> judge walker, what tickets your comments. >> i'm not sure we had any problems i'm aware of that particularly interfered with getting the other cases out. you are blessed with large enough courtrooms and other facilities so that leaves those problems come from mine. >> they may have come from somebody else's attention. >> it's like anything in life where there is this initial excitement and crowds of people in everyone's interested in everything he needs things, but then you get into a routine. so right at the beginning is

crazy and their clients in the courthouse and everyone's worried, but you find seats for everybody. and then, insert a tag cloud and is interested anymore and the corker still is. and then, look who's going to be testifying. moussaoui is incredible because 8000 people were credentialed. in the end for the trial, there were probably 30 or 40 reporters who covered it on a daily basis. and the same thing for libby and stevens and it just becomes the courthouse gets used to it at work surrounded and you sort of forget that it's going on and everybody has other cases and life goes on. is that sort of what you've observed? >> i'm there to cause a problem.

[laughter] >> i'm sure you do it very well. let's go right there. >> judge walker talked about the hope argyle is the pressures that go along with that. i am wondering what role and it did get mentioned on this panel about greater access and attention. how much of it is around in terms of personal safety quite >> the question deals with all the new attention and spotlight in high visibility case and how much the judges considering the matters of personal safety and security and how much the judges considering the matters of personal safety and security and how much the judges considering the matters of personal safety and security and it depends on a lot of circumstances. i would say the pressure i refer to related and it depends on a lot of circumstances. i would say the pressure i refer to related to personal security. those could come up in any kind of a case and occasionally do

and sometimes, but not in the contacts of the case at all. the kinds of pressures i was talking about were simply the pressure that you know whatever you are doing is being very intensely scrutinized and you try to be as responsible as possible. and since you are essentially managing receding, you want to be sure they proceed in an orderly fashion, the things do not get out of hand, but she don't have chaos in the courtroom of the kind that we thought some of these videos that i showed. and that really is the pressure that comes to beer and a judge by anything else. >> i will tell you my less than in my case during the trial court martial suggested that if i left the courthouse during the

day, the rare times if i win now, it would have a marshal with me. i thought frankly that was overkill at the time. i thought he's been excessively cautious, but deeply appreciated that. obviously the concern he had. almost immediately, when i rendered my decision, i had death threats, very serious multiple threads that caused me to have round-the-clock marshal protection for several weeks after the case had included, so you know, you live and learn. i may never thought, never had a clue that i need anything like that would be the occasion about the evolution and the first amendment. so you get surprise sometimes when you get into areas of personal safety and a poignant being in arizona to talk about

things like that and that is a very tough area for all federal judges. >> thank you. i was going to ask mr. jones if you have the option of televising your case, which you have opted to allow cameras that are not? >> excuse me, the question is being if you could have, which would've allowed cameras in? >> two weeks before the trial started, i received a motion to intervene from what was then court tv. and i looked our local rule and the national days, obviously and i declined and i frankly thought i had enough to do without the boulder stroke and i wasn't as

creative as my friend judge walker was in his case. i wanted to. i really did. i tried to find the path to do it. he was too late to find the role and to televise it. i'm sorry that it wasn't televised. it was a bench trial. i thought exactly as judge walker benched in his remarks that there is other a case that should have been televised, whether it's terrific lawyering on both sides. we sit and we decry the lack of good civics education and the failure by the public to understand what goes on in the courts and then we let them miss these magnificent moments. so i wish that it had been televised. i think in retrospect it's not because of anything i did, but i wish they had been able to see the lawyers perform in the case. they were credited to the

profession. >> of course her friend senator specter was a big advocate of broadcasting trials. and just today, senator grassley and senator schumer with the support of senator leahy introduced a bill again, which they called the sunshine in the corporate mac, does not require -- yes, that's what they call it. does that require broadcasting, but would allow judges the discretion of broadcasting trials and so grassley and schumer is bipartisan. leahy is the support of cornyn, grant and turbine. so as i say, the committee has passed us before, but they're going to try to begin. >> there is a question not there. >> d.c. experience talks about courtrooms didn't allow devices and there was a great tv in the

room. media in the room. what was the rationale and was that the judge in the particular case didn't want to go there? it personally find it troubling because that's what we do. but i just wonder why? >> the question deals with electronic devices, why they were allowed in some parts and not others. go ahead. >> it's the culture of the court and it's also the individual judges. a lot of judges find electronic devices to be very distracting in the courtroom. a lot of judges are concerned that you can flip a switch and all of a sudden you are connect it to the internet to your broadcasting, which is a violation of judicial --

>> so real-time blogging this broadcasting? >> no, they're not in the courtroom. >> by broadcasting, you mean actual sound or picture? >> audio, video. >> and also the issue with the real-time court reporting, which is something that is a concern. and our building doesn't have wi-fi except on the second floor, so there's all those internal issues as well. there's some practical reason and a curmudgeon who doesn't want to your cell phone go off. >> there were some practical reasons but i will put everything in there. sometimes there's physical barriers in the courtroom as well as culture as well as judicial preference. >> federal courthouse is now don't allow cellphones, laptops, any electronic devices inside the courthouse. they don't even store them in

lockers. you hear stories about lawyers coming. a cab drops them off front, they've got a black area, iphone, whenever you have just ushered in the bushes and hope nobody steals it. and that court made that decision because of security, because of whatever the reasons are. we're a long way from national comprehensive standard that are uniform in any way. in fact there is a deli right near the eastern district of the courthouse that makes a substantial part of income from destroying people's cell phones. last night's >> other questions from the audience? >> on the transcript issue, the court reporter's are independent contractors, although their official court reporters. maybe think you get the transcript, but that's expensive? >> the question was about

transcripts and the cost of them. and then i think it was extensive. >> one if they are not accustomed to doing it. if you call up the reporting service, i'll give you an example. there were these folks are locked into the office of senator mary landrieu. some have been involved in this group that does punk videos and they walked into her office, pretended to be from the phone company and shutter phones off. they were indicted on federal charges. there is a hearing in the case and we couldn't get there fast enough to know, so wanted to know what happened. i think we got the transcript about 10:15 that night. they are not in the habit of thinking about the same day. extensive, but the great thing about the service was you could contract with the service. they would bill